This forum is to discuss three questions
- Is the book of Job fact or fiction?
- Is the Book of Jonah fact or fiction?
- Who is the Daniel mentioned in Ezekiel 14:14
Created on 10/25/2010 4:05:13 PM
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JGraves
Has anyone read Luther's "Magnificant" it is a great read, Luther states, "But the impure and perverted lovers, who are nothing else than parasites and who seek their own advantage in God, neither love nor praise His bare goodness, but have an eye to themselves and consider only how good God is to them, that is, how deeply He makes them feel His goodness and how many good things He does to them. They esteem Him highly, are filled with joy and sing His praises, so long as this feeling continues. But as soon as ever He hides His face and withdraws the rays of His goodness, leaving them bare and in misery, their love and praise are at an end. They are unable to love and praise the bare, unfelt goodness that is hidden in God."
Is it true that we too often are happy with God when good things happen to us and we become bitter and angry when we suffer. Do we act like spoiled brats unfair at what life brings to us, on the other hand how do we truly deal with our emotions when we are angry at God, hurt, confused or dealing with tragedies?
http://www.godrules.net/library/luther/NEW1luther_c5.htm
Created on 3/29/2010 10:53:08 AM
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ogonzalez_1@yahoo.com
The old saying is that the devil fell into the choir loft to describe the worship wars that happen all to often in churches. Debates rage between contemporary, traditional and blended services. It is interesting that Luther had the broadest view of music. Luther encouraged congregational singing, he encouraged words that were as simple as possible, and easy to understand. Luther was a lute player and singer himself, Luther saw music as important to educate in the faith, as well as for worship. I find Luther's hymns to be very authentic. So I enjoy reading some of Luther's hymns, and none more than "A Might Fortress". It has been said that Luther used Ps 46 as a starting point for this hymn. What strikes me is the first line of the second verse, we cannot rely on our strength, but instead must rely on Jesus. I thought this might be a good meditation for today. Thoughts welcomed.
A mighty fortress is our God, A bulwark never failing; Our helper He amid the flood Of mortal ills prevailing. For still our ancient foe Doth seek to work us woe— His craft and power are great, And, armed with cruel hate, On earth is not his equal.
Did we in our own strength confide, Our striving would be losing, Were not the right man on our side, The man of God’s own choosing. Dost ask who that may be? Christ Jesus, it is He— Lord Sabaoth His name, From age to age the same,
And He must win the battle.
And though this world, with devils filled, Should threaten to undo us, We will not fear, for God hath willed His truth to triumph through us. The prince of darkness grim, We tremble not for him— His rage we can endure, For lo, his doom is sure: One little word shall fell him.
That word above all earthly powers, No thanks to them, abideth; the Spirit and the gifts are ours Through Him who with us sideth. Let goods and kindred go, This mortal life also— The body they may kill; God’s truth abideth still: His kingdom is forever.
Created on 1/25/2010 4:09:32 PM
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ogonzalez_1@yahoo.com
Another famous Martin Luther, MLK day was celebrated yesterday and should go with a bit of commemoration, I would recommend reading "Letter from a Birmingham Jail" and then posting a few comments about it. (if anyone is unfamiliar with it). I was deeply moved by what comes at the end of the letter, and have to say MLK really hits the nail on the head. How is our theology of any value if it doesn't reflect faith in some kind of action? King seems to be left speechless at so many christians who go to church but are unwilling to become involved in the cause of justice for their fellow person, a basic teaching of Christ. The question resonates with me, have our churches become just "irrelevant country clubs with no meaning in the twentieth century"? How can we capture back that relevance without descending into being nothing but a "brand" or pop culture offering for people to indulge for the moment? King understood real change isn't wearing tee-shirts, or going to christian concerts, etc, the real work the church is called to do will basically piss people off. That is why Christ was crucified, and why King was murdered.
Created on 1/20/2010 8:43:14 AM
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ogonzalez_1@yahoo.com
it was sad to hear the words of Pat Robertson last week regarding the disaster in Haiti. I think his words should be roundly and strongly condemned as being not only ignorant, and historically inaccurate, but unchristian. The disaster in Haiti should provide the church with a chance to put Luther's words into actions..."The school of faith is said to go about with death. Death is swallowed up in victory. If death, then sin. If death, then all diseases. If death, then all misery. If death, then all the power of the devil. If death, then all the fury of the world." Martin Luther. I invite others to share thoughts about this disaster and our response to it.
Created on 1/18/2010 11:22:09 PM
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ogonzalez_1@yahoo.com
Having finished the Legacy of Sovereign Joy by John Piper, our weekly study is now going to try and get everyone more involved in leading the discussion. Since everyone that has been recently attending is now reading through the Bible for their daily devotions, we have decided that each person will come up with something that stood out from their reading that week to ask/share for the rest of the group to discuss.
I think most of the group is starting in Genesis and moving straight through, but that's not necessary. I, for instance, have started using the ESV Study Bible Devotional Feed, which provides daily excerpts from the Psalms and Wisdom Literature, Pentateuch and History of Israel, Chronicles and Prophets, and Gospels and Epistles.
Created on 7/11/2009 9:11:40 PM
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bsmith
Our weekly local study is now studying "The Swans are Not Silent" series by John Piper. The first book in the series, The Legacy of Sovereign Joy, focuses on Augustine, Luther and Calvin and their struggles and accomplishments. The book can be downloaded for free from here. The other books in the series can also be found here. Feel free to post any thoughts or questions about this series in this forum.
Created on 5/26/2009 12:41:41 PM
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bsmith
Our weekly study is going over the book of Luke. If you would like to join the discussion by posting a thought online, this is your place to do so.
Created on 11/1/2008 3:10:33 PM
by
bsmith
The
separation of church and state is a legal and political principle derived from the
First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . .
." The phrase "separation of church and state", which does not appear in the Constitution itself, is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson.
So should religion stay out of politics? Maybe politics should stay out of religion. Or perhaps religon and politics aren't oil and water, but are more like peas and carrots.
Created on 9/29/2008 10:36:09 PM
by
JGraves
Warning: this story may hurt your brain
If you claim to be a follower of something or someone, but you don't actually believe in it, you shouldn't be claiming to be following them. This just defies logic:
Even Rev. Giuliano agrees that the name Christian -- which carries the baggage of colonialism and other ills -- should probably be phased out. Instead, he would replace "Christian" with "Follower of the Way" or "Follower of Jesus."
Uh, newsflash: Christian = Follower of Jesus. That's like saying you're going to replace "African-American" with "black". Whatever they call themselves doesn't really matter though because the book doesn't match it's cover!
"The church is extremely important because it can be a transformative element in individuals' lives and communities," she said. "And that was the root of what the Christian Church was about: transforming the way people see themselves in relation to the communities around them and in relation to each other and about living that in community. Christianity took over that story and manipulated it into a very different story."
Wrong! The root of what the Christian Church was about was Christ!! Hence the name! This is what happens when people refuse to read their Bible or history books or think logically about anything. Even more sickening is that she is able to stay in her brainwashing position - that no one in her congregation has spoken out, and that the "head" of the United Church of Canada is too spineless to do a darn thing about it. It's not like no one was warned:
"But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction." -2 Peter 2:1
Created on 6/10/2008 2:34:50 PM
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bsmith